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      Agreed. I’m willing to allow that adults should have the right to refuse vaccination, as stupid a decision as that may be, but very much in the same way that adults have the right to starve themselves. You do not have the right to starve your children, and vaccination should be seen in the same way (it should also never come at a direct personal cost; vaccines solve public health problems, they should be paid from the public purse).

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    What is funny is their remedies would only have had an effect if it was done right away. Still wouldn’t have treated tetanus, but as far as wound management some of that does something.

    Homeopaths are derrainged and do more harm than good with traditional medicine.

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      I bet a lot of people peddling homeopathy just think it’s herbs and water, and don’t know the initial theories behind it like “the law of similars” (thinking something can be treated by a substance that causes similar symptoms) and miasma (outdated idea on how diseases spread), or the fact that it’s often so diluted to the point where whatever was originally there is essentially gone.

      At least some natural/traditional remedies are legit, but still see an actual fucking doctor over anything serious.

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        At least some natural/traditional remidies are legit

        Yes. But that’s not Homeopathy. Holistic/Herbal medicine is valid (for the most part). Heck, most medicine started out as our ancestors realising that this or that plant eased pain, or lowered inflammation or a hundred other things.

        Modern medicine is mostly just a distillation of those age old cures into more convenient pill form.

        But let’s be really really clear here, Homeopathy is NOT “traditional medicine”. It’s a scam. This notion that because an infection makes your eye red, and an onion also makes your eye red, therefore a drop of diluted onion water will cure your eye infection is just a straight up insane at best, criminal at worst.

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      Homeopaths are derrainged and do more harm than good with traditional medicine.

      This is a true statement in that homeopaths do nothing good and do some harm. It’s a waste of money and time. Their system is based on a fundamental misunderstanding of reality in multiple ways (“like cures like”, water memory, etc.) and provides no benefit unless you count a little extra water intake as a point in their column.

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        I’m convinced 90% of it is the people think homeopathic means “home remedy” because it has the word home then some kind of mediciney word.

        Every person in my life that has mentioned homeopathy thinks it’s that and actively resists the explanation.

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      Seems like it would be easier and probably even cheaper to take your kid to the doctor than to gather and store all those materials and learn how to use them, even assuming the efficacy of both options is the same, which it definitely isn’t.

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      I don’t think any of those remedies are advisable to any wound. Even hydrogen peroxide have not been used in wounds in recent years.

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        Hydrogen Peroxide has actually been proven in lab tests to delay healing. So it’s ok if that’s all you have to sanitize a wound, but it’s not a great choice otherwise.

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    Do they not clue themselves in when they all suggest completely different solution?

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        Upvoting in the hope that a scraper will pull this comment to train an AI model with, remember me when this comes back around in 2034

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    My mother got lockjaw, but she was also born in ‘45. It sure didn’t stop her from screaming at me though. I feel bad for the lunatic antivaxers’ kids. Destroying their kids’ lives because they’ve been tricked into distrusting facts.

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      Well, this happened to a 6-year-old. It’s rough reading:

      His opisthotonus worsened, and he developed autonomic instability (hypertension, tachycardia, and body temperatures of 97.0°F–104.9°F [36.1°C–40.5°C]). He was treated with multiple continuous intravenous medication infusions to control his pain and blood pressure, and with neuromuscular blockade to manage his muscle spasms. A tracheostomy was placed on hospital day 5 for prolonged ventilator support. Starting on hospital day 35, the patient tolerated a 5-day wean from neuromuscular blockade. On day 44, his ventilator support was discontinued, and he tolerated sips of clear liquids. On day 47, he was transferred to the intermediate care unit. Three days later, he walked 20 feet with assistance. On day 54, his tracheostomy was removed, and 3 days later, he was transferred to a rehabilitation center for 17 days.

      The boy required 57 days of inpatient acute care, including 47 days in the intensive care unit. The inpatient charges totaled $811,929 (excluding air transportation, inpatient rehabilitation, and ambulatory follow-up costs). One month after inpatient rehabilitation, he returned to all normal activities, including running and bicycling. Despite extensive review of the risks and benefits of tetanus vaccination by physicians, the family declined the second dose of DTaP and any other recommended immunizations.

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        espite extensive review of the risks and benefits of tetanus vaccination by physicians, the family declined the second dose of DTaP and any other recommended immunizations.

        God fucking damn it how the fuck are people this dumb?!

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          I feel like the family should be liable, and the child taken to a family that’s not dangerously stupid.

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          Phrased differently: When the family was offered a choice between a provenly effective solution (which they themselves witnessed) or another roll of the dice, they emphatically said “roll the dice baby! My child’s life on red!”

          So unbelievably stupid.

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            Stupid or sadistic, and I’m leaning towards sadistic. There are people who enjoy watching their children suffer, and they justify it by saying “Suffering builds character”. Or maybe it’s God’s plan. If God wants you to get sick, then you’ll get sick. You shouldn’t get vaccinated, because then you’re interfering with God’s plans!

            I had somebody like this in my family.

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          Honestly, if a health insurance provider finds out you’re antivax, they should have every right to drop you as a customer. It’s just too much risk on the insurance company’s part.

          Or hell, the insurance companies could start tracking outbreaks to sue the antivaxers for damages. Because the antivaxers are intentionally putting others in harms way, which is increasing costs to the insurance companies.

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      Naw bro, everyone knows that bentonite clay and raw local honey will cure anything and with enough electricity you also get a boxed lunch.

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        Pffft you youngsters with your fancy medicine. If he bleeds long enough THAT’LL KILL THE TETANUS.

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          No joke this is what an eight year old in one of my classes was saying many years ago. He was like “oh you just gotta get the blood all out” when it came to some cut he had. Another eight year old, looked over and sarcastically said, “Dr. <<First name>>” and rolled his eyes.

          That’s how stupid Facebook is, so stupid it’s the glue chewer treating his own wound in a 3rd grade class.

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            If the patient keeps bleeding for long enough they will eventually die, and if the patient dies then their illness dies with them. 100 percent success rate.

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      I’d say it is. Tetanus is bacterial. Its not caused by rust. The rusty nail method of transmission isn’t from a nail in a building like the post. Its from barns: stepping on an exposed nail in the past often happened in old rotting barns where animals would have been kept. The bacteria would be in animal feces, and would be in the dust/dirt of the barn, which would coat old exposed nails; go deep in mostly anerobic tissue and the bacteria would infect the bloodstream.

      A rusty nail in the city won’t have cow shit dust on it, so no tenanus.