• Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    The Federation clearly thinks something like OSHA isn’t important.

    The Empire from Star Wars at least has the excuse that they’re outright evil. So the lack of safety railing in the Death Star tracks.

    The Federation is supposed to be filled with the brightest, best, and most empathetic but their safety procedures are basically nonexistent.

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      How else would anything interesting happen in the episode? In my head canon most of the federation is very responsible but also boring. That’s why the show follows this particular bunch of degenerates.

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        I considered that, too.

        Enterprise is an exploration and research vessel so maybe their whole thing is they’re doing experiments on a shoestring out in the middle of nowhere.

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            Well, I’m not deeply familiar with how their tech works but I assume they need basic matter to build things out of with their computers (like when they have food made) but maybe they make it from energy instead of matter. I enjoy Star Trek but I honestly don’t know the full deets on whether their matter creators need base matter or make it from energy. Either is seemingly still a finite resource.

            I meant in the sense of like… Janeway is working with a limited set of resources, an extreme version of this. So that implies that being separated from the Federation can still result in lack of basic resources. Money is just trade for resources and a moneyless society doles out resources based on societal need.

            So the Enterprise in general may not be as deeply far away as Janeway was, but can still be in a position where they don’t have better places to do such an experiment or may be limited on resources, in my imperfect understanding.

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              Replicators, just like the holodeck and the transporters convert energy into matter. They don’t need any base matter. Voyager did lack things, but what they mainly lacked were sources of long-term energy like dilithium and the Enterprise-D would not intentionally be so far away that they would run out of dilithium. The Enterprise almost never left the Alpha Quadrant of the galaxy. They were pretty much always within at most a month of rescue even if they were totally out of such things. Voyager was initially looking at no resupply for 70 years.

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                Replicators, just like the holodeck and the transporters convert energy into matter. They don’t need any base matter.

                According to stuff like the Star Trek Technical Manual, this is not true.

                Transporters work by disassembling you into your constituent particles, transporting those particles to the destination, and then reassembling them. It takes a lot of energy to do that, but officially anyway your particles are the same particles before and after.

                Replicator works by transporting base nutrient stocks out of tanks into the replicator terminal, but this time it rearranges the nutrient stocks according to whatever the target recipe is

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                  Perhaps those nutrients are very easily available so it’s not an issue, and the energy required is the bottleneck. At any rate, I don’t think Voyager or anything produced after that ever mentioned it.

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              I enjoy Star Trek but I honestly don’t know the full deets on whether their matter creators need base matter or make it from energy.

              They need matter. Admiral Vance has this exchange with Osyraa in Discovery:

              Osyraa: Hmm. It doesn’t quite taste like the real thing, does it?

              Vance: I’ve never eaten a real apple.

              Osyraa: Well, how sad. Apples are a thing of beauty. You want to talk about oppression, you should start in your own mess hall.

              Vance: It’s made of our shit, you know. That’s the base material that we use in our replicators. We deconstruct it to the atomic level and then reform the atoms. It’s pretty good for shit, and we don’t have to commit atrocities for it.

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        literally no one, in any of the crews, or star fleet command follow the rules

        at some point of another, ever single one of those motherfuckers says fuck it this is important to me, and justifies stealing space craft, breaking the prime directive, anything they want to

        every. crew. every. show. every. movie.

        it’s kinda a star trek must

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          … or its just tradition when a crew of a small group of individuals get sent out into the wild frontier where no one is monitoring them or going to stop them from doing anything.

          If I sent you out with a hundred million dollar budget, a decked out modern RV with endless fuel, a bunch of military hardware and a crew of like minded people into the wild west of 1800s America … what would you guys end up doing after about two years wandering around out there on your own?

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        Remember they aren’t they aren’t getting paid, they are there because they are the biggest risk addicts in the federation.

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    Or Data standing right in front of the path of the phaser beam right behind whatever device is supposed to stop it.

    It would be like holding a new piece of armour plating technology that has never been tested before, holding it over your chest and asking your buddy to shoot a rifle bullet at it to see if works.

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    They didn’t have budget for an engineering lab set. They spent it all on the LEDs that went into Data’s head subcutaneous superstructure.

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      They famously only got the engineering set built because Roddenberry insisted on writing it into the pilot episode.

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        STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION
        “THE CLOSET INCIDENT”
        INT. ENTERPRISE - MAIN BRIDGE

        PICARD (turning to Geordi) Mr. La Forge, we need more power to the shields.

        GEORDI On it, Captain.

        Geordi hurries to a small, inconspicuous closet at the side of the bridge. He opens the door and steps inside. The closet is cramped, filled with various cleaning supplies and equipment.

        INT. CLOSET

        GEORDI (whispering to himself) Alright, let’s see what we’ve got.

        The lights in the closet flicker, and a low hum of machinery can be heard.

        INT. MAIN BRIDGE - CONTINUOUS

        The crew on the bridge looks puzzled

        WORF (raising an eyebrow) Did he… Go into the closet?

        PICARD (trying to maintain composure) Starfleet decided the production was too expensive.

        Riker stifles a chuckle. Suddenly, the console beeps and the shields increase power.

        PICARD (exhales with relief)

        Geordi emerges from the closet

        GEORDI (tapping his combadge) La Forge to bridge, power levels are stable.

        PICARD Nods awkwardly.

        PICARD Excellent work, Mr. La Forge.

        The crew exchanges amused glances.

        FADE OUT.

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      If it’s dangerous enough to risk the ship, they should probably do that in a shuttlecraft far away from the ship or on some uninhabited moon or something.

      They have those sets.

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    Oh, man. I’m reading Red Shirts by John Scalzi right now, and this hits home.

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    at least they didn’t fire the phaser in the direction of the warp core

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    Same with that unknown thing Bashir found that blasted data into Dreamland

    edit-they did it again after they knew it fired shit too