An Israeli missile has hit Iran, two US officials have told the BBC’s US partner CBS News.
Iranian state media is reporting that flights have been suspended over several cities, according to Associated Press.
Iran has been on high alert after Israel said it would respond to an Iranian attack against it on Saturday night
These posts always focus on how USA are the bad guys for support Israel, but I wonder how popular this war is in Israel. Do the Israeli people support what Netanyahu is doing?
They support the Genocide of Palesitnians, but attacking Iran had a majority opposition. Because Iran can shoot back.
IDI are vocal in their criticism of Netanyahu, but their statistical methods tend to hold up. They answer your question pretty succinctly:
We found that a very large majority of the total sample (89%) think that Hamas bears a great deal of responsibility for the suffering of Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip.
And also:
we asked: “Given the current circumstances, is Israel’s leadership is doing its utmost to secure the release of the hostages?” We found that slightly more than half of the Jewish respondents think or are certain that the leadership is doing all it can to bring the hostages home. Only a small minority of Arab respondents concur.
wild how Iran launched missiles at Israel and then was struck by Israeli missiles… the Israeli missiles weren’t launched, though. They just sprang into existence above Iran
Iran ATTACKS israel!
Iranian Generals DIED when STRUCK by missile in Consulate!
Importantly, Iran’s missiles did not strike Israel, they were shot down in flight.
The same way that a lot of Hollywood dicks were sucked. By Nancy Reagan
Wow, we’re actually actually defending Iran now?
Just ignoring the media bias?
Is that what we call history now? Jesus Christ guys, seriously pretending like Iran are good guys is just nuts.
Obviously not but the wording make it out that Iran’s attacked is “unprecedented” against Israel, despite being retaliatory, and Israel didn’t “attack” Iran but rather “responded”. I’m certainly not implying Iran is “good” but journalism is already telling you who is “innocent”.
Right? Like we all saw that Iran was going to for tat, and their attack was pretty much neutralized. At this point Israel is just accelerating the conflict.
I don’t want to believe our media is biased either, but like let’s take a moment and remember that we’ve been told the reason Iran and the Taliban hate us is because we have and love freedom. Like seriously, take a moment if you were alive and conscious in 2003 and what messaging we got then. It’s so stupid.
Inshallah
It would have been nice if this world wasn’t run by fucking children.
Israel is doing its part by killing them all.
Demented sociopathic children. Normal children would do a better job.
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whatever your politics, welcome to team
Nothing an old anarchist hates more than a new anarchist. They ruined anarchism, I tell you!
Great, like that the world, nukes included, would be ruled by the strongest, which often aren’t the brightest of us.
youre thinking of ancaps.
That’s not something I know about, mind putting me in the loop?
In any case, I was sarcastic if that wasn’t obvious. There is good people among anarchists, as well as among those who aren’t. But not having rules make it way easier for the bad apples to get their way with it, as with them it requires a lot more investment and careful planing to break them.
Anarchism, like most other social organisation theory, isn’t immune to mass manipulation, coercion, or similar techniques used by the few to impose their view and interest to the broader masses.
what exactly is this argument you’re making? would it not apply to switching to democracy? would it not apply to moving towards liberalism? how come when it comes to going further left suddenly “no system is perfect” arguments come out as if better needs to be perfect
As far as I understand, Anarchism doesn’t mean no rules, it means no rulers. No hierarchy of people.
The rules would be set up in such a way to actively discourage individual accumulation of power as much as possible. But a system like that could still have rules, just enforced collectively instead of power being parceled out to individuals. I think there are a lot of practical ways you can try to reduce power accumulation, like term limits is a very obvious example that is a concept we are familiar with. Or like ways of reducing wealth inequality can also be seen as a way of trying to reduce hierarchy.
I don’t know all the theory, I honestly feel like that kinda shit isn’t always the most useful anyways. But there are obvious things we can do now to reduce hierarchy and they seem like things that would be good. Having an ideological stance that hierarchy is bad, and we should reduce it as much as possible… that’s Anarchism.
The rules would be set up in such a way to actively discourage individual accumulation of power as much as possible.
When the state nextdoor rolls in with tanks, aircraft, and warships, how do you push them back? Is the ‘collective enforcement’ armed with such weapons as well, trains together, and has a solid command structure to coordinate and fight back the invader? How do you organize the command structure of your military defense force such that it fits within the ‘collective enforcement’ model, without instantly devolving into a free for all?
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Probably you do what they did in Afghanistan and use IEDs
therefore you must put the few in charge without contest? compromise with tyrants? edit: except forgetting to negotiate for yourself, and being all in on team tyrant?
sorry I dont mean to sound rude, its just it always sounds like a christian standing up in the pews, proclaiming that the pastor is being corrupted by the devil, and declaring that he’s done with this blasphemous church, and he’s starting his own church (of the devil. but not in like the cool way, because he’s a christian)
it just sounds like an excuse to not try. and its not like there aren’t measures to take; forms of organization, social leveling conventions, etc.
The world would be a lot better off of it was, actually.
Epstein already proved that and allegedly a Mossad agent. How much blackmail does Bibi have on Biden?
Biden expressed his love for israel way before Netanyahu was a political candidate.
True dat… Biden, “I’m a Zionist,” knows his place.
Irresponsible decision from Israel, the initial exchange seemed justified with no reason to escalate things.
It wasn’t justified by israel the first time either. Anyone with iq above room temperature knows Israel is doing all of this for a reason .
To drag the US into an Afghanistan-style quagmire conflict with Iran, something American evangelicals and far-right military gumbas have been chomping at the bit for since the Carter Administration?
We don’t want to go to war in the middle east. You are 100 percent right that some conservatives have been after that forever. Luckily I hope that as a nation we have grown past policing the world and being involved by sending troops. We can’t handle another war right now.
Conservatives? Who is president right now?
Did you read the comment I responded to?
Yeah far right evangelicals. Aka Joe Biden.
John Bolton literally has made this his life’s mission and has been working non-stop for it
Just gonna leave it at some mysterious Jewish plot without going into a rant about space lasers or whatever the popular conspiracy theories are these days?
Does this ramble have anything to do with what we are talking about?
You can’t fire 300 drones and ballistic missiles at a country and not expect a response back. It was so over the top they had to respond. The response is so mild I think we can all step back now
Can we fucking not
Oh FFS. This had better be an extremely limited response to Iran’s response to Israel’s bombing of an embassy. Here’s hoping it’s just the same type of symbolic attack that Iran made last weekend - all show and no intent. Just Israel refusing to let anyone else have the last word.
Anything more serious and things are about to become very messy and even more expensive. Although it would explain why Israel is suddenly arranging to get dozens of jets from the US in the last month or so. Lord knows they don’t seem necessary if the only goal is to keep blowing up Palestinians.
Although it would explain why Israel is suddenly arranging to get dozens of jets from the US in the last month or so.
Forgive what feels like a nitpick, but we should take a moment for wider historical scorn. WaPo at the end of March:
Last week, the State Department authorized the transfer of 25 F-35A fighter jets and engines worth roughly $2.5 billion, U.S. officials said. The case was approved by Congress in 2008, so the department was not required to provide a new notification to lawmakers.
Biden owns the fuckup, but it comes after all the shit Israel put the administrations of Dubya, Obama, and Individual 1 through, and after all the atrocities upon the Great March of Return and the other surges of conflict. The planes could fill another allies’ order, the MIC could get their warbucks, and Joey could have kicked the can down the road, but here we are.
why the fuck do they have f-35s?
the Americans aren’t even giving peripheral NATO countries f-35’s, are they?
why the fuck are they getting f-35’s?
even RPing as an american imperialist, I cannot think of a reason other than ‘for the evulz’.
What do you mean by “peripheral” NATO countries? If you mean NATO countries other than the US, then I can inform you that some do have F-35 jets.
feel like youre missing the point here, maybe kind of on purpose.
You did ask a question that I attempted to answer… That does not entail in any way that I did not understand the other stuff you wrote nor that I dismissed it.
no? like I know France helped design the thing, so obviously they’re getting them, but I know Poland and turkey dont have them yet, and I dont think they’re going to soon.
the point is theyre not going to the people who serve amrrica’s military interests.
Poland waiting has little to do with politics and more to do with when contracts were signed. They only signed in 2020.
Turkey is trying to develop their own 5th generation fighter after getting kicked out of the f35 program due to being a leaky sieve sending data to the Russians. That’s on them.
By and large, the wait elsewhere is mostly to do with the bad reputation the program got before it was operational. Now that it’s all in the past and it’s proving to be an excellent fighter, contracts with allies are coming in faster than they can be produced. That’s the price of waiting.
Measured retaliation leads to measured retaliation leads to measured retaliation…
It’s fucking hard but Isreal suffered minimally from Iran’s bullshit aggression - Netanyahu could “be the bigger man” without losing any face.
Real leaders - real manly men - real strong people of any stripe - those are the people who have the strength to forgive and compromise.
Israel bombed their embassy first, full stop. What are you on about? Iran had a right to defend itself.
Bibi, who has never shown a modicum of restraint when there’s potential for bloodshed, isn’t going to change course until the US forces him to by withholding funding. Considering how Zionist Biden and 2/3 of Congress are, that ain’t happening, so buckle up for some real shit “leadership,” Jack.
Was that first? The embassy bombing was certainly before Iran’s counter attack but if you’re searching for justification then it’s not like Iran and Isreal were buddies before this. Iran has repeatedly funded Hezbollah launching rockets into Isreal and funded the Houthi rebels attacking shipping.
My point was that constantly retaliating is an unhealthy cycle and your take away was that “But actually it’s okay if it’s in retaliation.” Wut.
And Bibi funded Hamas, his (now realized) end-goal being to destabilize the region and provide cover for further Israeli violence and land grabs from the indigenous people.
I agree with you on tit-for-tat bringing about undesirable results, but you lost me on “Iran’s bullshit aggression.” Israel is 6mo+ in all-out genocidal warfare on innocent Palestinian civilians, and still maintains this stems from their “right to defend themselves.” Iran on the other hand exercised immense restraint, coordinated with western powers, and executed a highly telegraphed counter-offensive focused exclusively on military targets in Israel as an overly nice way to say “please don’t bomb our stuff.” In this way I think Iran’s counter-attack was in fact beyond justified. Unless you meant it was bullshit in that it was entirely orchestrated, but I doubt that was your intent.
Netenyahu, being the absolute child that he is, had to strike again anyway. This is in fact unjustified and unprovoked, but to use your own terminology it appears Iran will be the “bigger man” and doesn’t plan on further hostile action. Again highly coordinated with the west, in order to walk on eggshells around the unhinged Israeli government.
The fact of the matter is this: Bibi is a far-right war mongering zealot who needs to be deposed immediately. The US is despicable for providing him cover the way they have. Despite who’s in charge in Israel, they at least offer their citizens basic social safety nets like universal healthcare and paid family leave. America doesn’t have these things, yet it can afford to send Israel 10s of billions to continue murdering brown children?! Israel are warmongers, and America is shameful for backing them.
“Iran’s aggression”
Another day another banger from sh.itjust.works
Iran was aggressive in their retaliation - how the fuck else would you describe launching rockets into another country?
Whether that retaliation was justified is separate from the fact that it was aggressive.
Au contraire, it was defense and very mild at that. If Israel can kill 40,000+ people because “wE hAvE a rIgHt tO dEfEnD oUrSeLvEs” Iran absolutely can volley some missiles in response to Zionist actions
Neither is justified.
No, it is extremely justified to respond to an attack on an embassy
It’s also extremely justified to respond to someone launching missiles at you. Are you really that much of an idiot that you can’t see how this ends or are you just arguing in bad faith?
So, are they going back to opposing the invasion of Rafah, then?
You know, seeing as how Israel just got concessions for promising not to do a thing, then immediately went and did the thing regardless.
Or does Biden just have a humilation fetish? Which fine, no kink-shaming here but maybe keep it in the bedroom.
I have to admit, the phrase ‘lifestyle democrat’ has a nice ring to it…
Fuck Netanyahu.
If he starts WW3 he can get fucked… though we should try and grant asylum to all current residents of Palestine and Isreal.
don’t worry i’m sure the us and uk will come out as forcefully against this as they did against iran right?
Listen, Israel has a right to exist, and part of Israeli’s existence is firing missiles at its neighbors, so maybe back off and stop being anti-Semitic about this why dontcha?
This is too subtle for the internet, or at least I hope it is
don’t worry im gay so i roll advantage on sarcasm checks
Yeah most likely. The reaction to Iran’s strike was to underline that it was against military targets and that they wouldn’t assist Israel in striking back.
So as long as they don’t help Iran hit back against Israel, then yeah the reaction will be the same.
All is going according to plan:
WHICH PATH TO PERSIA? Options for a New American Strategy toward Iran
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I did. It’s all going as planned. Found a vidya that summarizes it.
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Did Fallout release at the perfect time?
This is 53 years early according to the lore. Not sure if we can make it that long.
I think you mean 70 years late? That was definitely the 50s in the show.
No, the Great War in the Fallout universe happened in 2077. The 50s revival was just the fashion at that time.
Just like the 50s were a time when technological advances were spreading rapidly, the Great War happened during the time of technological breakthroughs like personal assistant robots and fusion power.
Ok, that does explain some things. But it seemed to me like the technology is all kind of slow and bulky. The mech suits, and the doc was able to outrun those turrets. I thought that was because it was the 50s when the war happened, but I guess not?
Wait.
So, in response to the 300 weapon systems that US/Israel roughly blocked all of. (1 casualty from defensive shrapnel)
In turn Israel launched 1 missile, and it hit?
Ooof.
I’d be careful about considering Israel’s defense as a complete success, or at least an easy one. According to Israeli sources cited in this article, achieving that result cost Israel as much as $1-1.3 billion USD, and I can’t find out if that includes the price of interception by other countries - a lot of the heavy lifting was done by the USA after all. Given that they say that’s the cost for Israel specifically, I don’t think it does but I can’t find sources. Regardless, it’s a big bill for an attack that everyone knew was coming days in advance and gives a sense of the economics involved in an open war several times more intense.
Iran also gave notice of their attacks.
it’s a complete success compared to Iran’s defensive measures
In response? What response? Did you forget israel assasinating top generals in an embassy
History is starting on April 13 lmao.
I wish the EU would grow a backbone and tell the US to stop stoking fires in our backyard
Germany and Italy are also big on giving aid to Israel so Idk if the EU is going to be able to help either.
Germany pretty much makes it illegal to even say anything negative about Israel
It is not illegal. You will only get publicly humiliated, have your house raided on bullshit reasons and if you get any government funding for anything you did, you can say bye bye to that. Especially if you are jewish and dissenting to the zionist agenda. Jews are disproportionaly targeted by these measures. Because nothing protects Jews form antisemitism, like targeting Jews that “stepped out of line” in the eyes of the pro zionist government.
I don’t disagree with you there. Labeling people as antisemetic and a Nazi has been used as a weapon for a long time to target anyone that went against the Zionist agenda.
I wish the EU would fucking invade the US already. Either put us out of our misery or save us, either way, it stops our leaders from spreading the evil and murder around the globe.
Give all parties involved nuclear weapons. See how warlike the Israelis are when all of their targets have nukes.
It disappoints me that others don’t understand this comment. Only one nation has ever used a nuclear weapon in war.
World War 3 just what we needed. Thanks Biden.
Please explain how Israel attacking Iran is Joe Biden’s fault? He said the United States would not support a retaliatory strike against Iran’s retaliatory strike. All the blame falls directly on Netanyahu and the Israeli government.
The US is Israel’s shield… Israel can only afford to be a belligerent bully bombing embassies because nobody wants to get involved in a war with the US. The US is enabling Israel’s worst behaviors.
You’re right. Before this protection, they tried several times to wipe Israel off the map.
Nope, they didn’t. Even the expression itself is the result of a deliberate mistranslation by pro-Israeli propagandists trying to bolster the completely bogus victim narrative of by far the most militarily powerful and active country in the region.
Hmm, Iran calls for it constantly. Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, and Jordan tried several times. You can’t just pretend history didn’t happen.
Iran calls for it constantly
Do you have a credible source on that? Because propagandists keep claiming that without backing it up with actual evidence that they’re not just making up whatever fits their narrative
Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, and Jordan tried several times.
None of them anywhere near successfully and none of them in this millennium.
You can’t just pretend history didn’t happen.
And you can’t just greatly exaggerate decades old events and pretend that they represent an imminent and existential threat.
I mean, you obviously CAN, since you just did, but you really shouldn’t.
Do you have a credible source on that? Because propagandists keep claiming that without backing it up with actual evidence that they’re not just making up whatever fits their narrative
Turns out Wikipedia has a great article on it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calls_for_the_destruction_of_Israel#:~:text=Ali Khamenei%2C Iran’s supreme leader,of Israel from the region”.
I recommend checking the sources to verify it yourself.
None of them anywhere near successfully and none of them in this millennium.
Of course they were not successful, otherwise they would have wiped Israel off the map like their intended goal was. Also, your claim of not in this millennium is disingenuous. There are still plenty people alive to thought in those wars on both sides.
And you can’t just greatly exaggerate decades old events and pretend that they represent an imminent and existential threat.
I> mean, you obviously CAN, since you just did, but you really shouldn’t.
I didn’t, that was you doing that. I was simply adding context to the person I was replying to.
Implying that Genocide Joe is not responsible for his out of control attack dog he is actively supplying with weapons
You must be fucking confused if you think Netanyahu is Joe Biden’s “attack dog”. The Israeli government has spent the last 40+ years successfully coopting the United States government.
What do you think those shifty mother fuckers would be doing in an election year if he came out against them? I agree they need to he brought to heel, but if you think that is going to happen given the existing externalities of global & US politics then you are living in a fantasy.
“He has to support Genocide because israel controls US politics!”
Biden could just ban the israel lobby instead how about that.
