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  • Random_German_Name@feddit.detoEurope@feddit.de•EU must cut ties with Israel to prevent Gaza genocide - UN rapporteurEnglish
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    3 months ago

    What IDF is doing is not remotely a ethnic cleansing

    It is.

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    it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return, such as murder, rape, and property destruction.

    or a genocide, that’s a genocide.

    I never said, that its a genocide.

    So maybe we could start to call the things with their name.

    I do.

    The “few ten thousands” were elected from the millions of people.

    Yes, Hamas got 44,45% of the votes in 2006. But 43,5% of Palestinians in Gaza weren‘t even alive then. Most people, that live in Gaza today, didn‘t vote Hamas in 2006.

    Is it awful that this happen ? Of course. Is it unexpected ? No.

    I agree. Both the IDF and Hamas acted very predictable.

    Well, I have not yet read anything that condemn what Hamas did on October the 7th

    Why is that important, when we discuss, weather killing civilians is justified? I condemn the moral and legal crimes of Hamas. I condemn the rapes. I condemn the murder. I condemn what happened to the corpses afterwards. I condemn the attack on the another state. Are you happy now?

    Yes, they are not killing them intentionally, they are collateral damages (awful but sad reality).

    This was a collateral damage?

    If the IDF was trying to intentionally kill civilians, let’s say that from a military point of view they are a joke.

    Israel can‘t risk getting that much bad publicity. And why would they want to kill every Palestinian? That would be a waste of bullets in the minds of many Israeli politians. They want uninhabited land to settle on. Most of these far right politians don‘t care, what happens with the Palestinians.

    Maybe, but it is also pretty dumb to not fulfill the with of Hamas and let them kill Israel civilian unpunished.

    I think it is possible to fight Hamas without committing war crimes.

    I am the one arguing that if the civilian make a choice then they pay the price.

    Already answered that.

    Well maybe, just maybe, if they try to be a good neighbor, Israel could begin to consider it.

    What is the Palestinian civilian supposed to do to be a good neighbor? And why has Israel a right to determine if Palestine is allowed to be a state.

    Obviously it is not something that could happen in a day, but it is something that can happen only if both side collaborate.

    Yes. And Israel and Hamas are doing their best to prevent this collaboration.

    No, I expect that the civilians do not vote for Hamas

    Call me, when you find a time machine.

    and help IDF to find the fighters to eradicate only Hamas fighters.

    I am 100% sure there are Palestinians, that do that. There is collaboration in every war. But why would they do that? Why would they help a force, that tries to murder them against a force, that „only“ oppresses them?

    I am not aware that the Israel constitution has the extermination of Gaza in it

    I knew you would come up with that. I never said that. Stop arguing against things you make up. I was saying, that the IDF is currently murdering them, not that it is written in their constitution.

    but it is true the opposite.

    The charter of Hamas is neither the constitution of Gaza, nor Palestine. Saying that is like saying the election program of the democratic party is the constitution of the US, because Joe Biden is the president.

    Partially. Palestinian elected Hamas, so as far as I am concerned Hamas is the Legitimate Representation of Palestinians. All the rest is a consequence

    And I disagree. Is it now acceptable to commit war crimes?

  • Random_German_Name@feddit.detoEurope@feddit.de•EU must cut ties with Israel to prevent Gaza genocide - UN rapporteurEnglish
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    3 months ago

    Now stating facts made me an awful human… nice.

    You didn‘t just „state facts“. You stated facts and then advocated for ethnic cleansing.

    Or maybe the fact that I belive that a person (or a population) should be held responsible for their choices

    Its astounding to see, how fast Israel-supporters go from „its awful that these innocent people are dying because of Hamas“ to „all Palestinians are one evil entity seeking nothing but to bath in the blood of raped women“ in one comment if it fits the narrative they are trying to push.

    what an awful thing to say in these times…

    Yes. Saying millions of people should be murdered, because of the actions of a few tenthousands is a awful thing to say. It was awful in the past and luckily still is awful today.

    The question is: why the children should left behind if Egypt opens the border ? Are their parents so awful to left their children behind as they are fleeing ?

    Separation in the chaos, child could be injured, child is too weak to walk and mother to starved to take it with her. There are plenty of reasons, why a mother and a child can be separated in a warzone. That you refuse to acknowledge these factors doesn‘t speak for your empathie.

    No, they are not fair game, as every civilian is not fair game, in a war.

    I am glad, that you acknowledge this.

    I only noted that there is a possible solution to minimize the civilian deaths that could be implemented without Israel’s intervention.

    Could be a solution to save lifes if we manage to feed all those people and provide medical help, yes. But it also blames a neutral third party instead of the party, that causes the suffering by blocking aid and bombing areas, they declared to be safe for civilians.

    Why EU don’t pursue this option ?

    Because Egypt already has taken in a lot of Palestinians and demanding they take even more wouldn‘t be smart on a diplomatic level.

    But the problem here is that you people think that it is ok for Hamas to explicity target civilians

    Literally nobody here, besides you, thinks its okay to target civilians.

    while is wrong when Israel kill a civilian as a collateral damage.

    So you are trying to tell me, that Israel didn‘t kill a single civilian intentionally?

    collateral damage that is what Hamas wants as they openly stated. Read something about Mosab Hassan Yousef if you don’t belive me.

    Its pretty dumb of Israel to fulfill the wish of Hamas, don‘t you think? Again: Nobody here is defending Hamas. You are the only one arguing in favor of killing civilians.

    No, they are not worth to die but in the end the only option for them to be safe is to collaborate with Israel in eradicating Hamas and become an affidable interlocutor for peace talks.

    And how is this supposed to happen, if Israel doesn‘t even recognize Palestine? Do you expect the Palestinians to sign a petition asking nicely to not murder them?

    I could understand why Israel has some qualms to make an accord with someone that has in its charter the objective to destroy them.

    I could understand why Palestinians may have some qualms to make an accord with someone that is murdering them.

    And again: Palestinians =/= Hamas, Legitimate Representation of Palestinians =/= Hamas, starving Child in Gaza =/= Hamas