I’m helping a family member build a pc. He wanted to use Windows because “Linux can’t play games” despite me having a perfectly good gaming laptop running Linux that runs all my games, even graphically intensive ones.
2 days later, no game has been played yet. We can’t even get steam to start. I even installed Arch on a sata ssd I donated just to verify the pc parts actually work (took less than an hour). It took 1 and a half days to even get the Windows 11 installer to get past like the 3rd screen.
Fucking fuck. Dealing with all this fucking bullshit is far worse than not being able to play a few trashy anticheat pay 2 win games. The anti Linux circlejerk is real.
Can’t tell if this is a shitpost or not
Linux users on Lemmy: People who don’t run Linux are just bad with computers and shouldn’t be using a computer at all!
Also Linux users on Lemmy: Anyone else is unable to install windows from scratch?
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OP:
I run Arch btw
In my experience, installation of Win or Lin has been pretty easy. Lin has less options to opt out of (I like) than windows, but windows set everything up just fine. The only time I ever had issues on either is if I try to install without an active ether net connected. If I don’t have the os update during install, I run into random driver issues on either os.
It has to be, windows makes it super easy to install so they can get your data faster.
Me neither. Linux is my main Operating System but… We can’t generalize one Windows experience just like we can’t generalize one Linux experience.
It’s a lot easier to do the former than the latter. Windows fixes a lot of things about the experience, but maybe not the exact flavoring / theming.
Linux you can’t say anything about the experience besides sweeping generalizations by distro.
I agree with this. I use Linux exclusively at home, but for work I have a windows laptop. It’s really not that bad. I for sure don’t like it as much, but it isn’t atrocious.
I cant tell if people in this thread are trolls, ultra elite linux shills, or just people incapable of following simple instructions…
Like I get it, windows bad or w/e… But to act like it takes longer than an hour or two to install it, let alone 2 whole fucking days is just asinine.
Imagine having enough of a skill issue that it takes you 2 days to install Windows OS. The OS that idiot proofs itself by literally holding your hand on every option and walks you through itself to install.
Im not even joking, I re-install and have installed windows the past few years multiple times on personal devices for myself and my family and friends and even do it for professional devices and servers for my job. It is brain dead easy, enough that my tech illiterate grandparents managed to re-install it before I could make the drive to meet them and do it for them… I can’t take this OP or anyone else seriously if they can manage to install a linux based OS but somehow have 2 days worth of trouble with Windows OS…
OP is just wanting to shit on Windows because this is a Linux community.
People have trouble installing Windows? You enter a license key and click next a couple times.
You missed the part where you either sign in with your Microsoft account or cut your Internet, remove the webcam, fake your own death, and do the secret tap code in the bios to just have the OS without letting Microsoft into your butthole.
Windows 11 doesn’t force you do any of that. Just skip the sign in. Your points were valid in 8/10 era but no more.
It depends on the version, but yes, it does. It’s especially a problem on prebuilt machines and laptops. It is incredibly annoying to work with in a corporate environment. Our helpdesk tech comes to me with issues related to this probably three times a week. I gave up with work arounds and we just have a throwaway Microsoft account now.
Rufus has workarounds for the mandatory login.
Who is this Rufus fellow? Is he like Tux?
He’s that chill future guy from Bill & Ted’s excellent adventure.
Not true on Windows 11 home that ships with new hardware. You need to disable all network connections and run some terminal commands to set up a local account. It is not convenient at all. Granted you can easily add a local account, after you have set it up with a Microsoft account, but that sort of defeats the purpose.
I just installed 11 recently. There isn’t a skip button anymore. I had to enter fake sign in details for it to give me the “offline” option.
So it seems like their point may still stand.
Someone pointed out that Pro version still doesn’t require sign in. I’ve only dealt with Pro and didn’t know it’s different than Home in this thing. Sorry for being overly confident.
Not true. 11 very much still forces you to use an MS account.
Very much doesn’t my guy.
Home won’t let you do domain join, I think you have to go halfway through setup then select local account.
Why would absolutely anyone on this sub install Home? Microsoft themselves make a multi-edition .iso available on their website. And funnily enough now, Microsoft supports the hosting of massgravel. Should it take as many steps as it does two make a local account? No, but it’s literally two extra clicks.
We are talking about a product not for ourselves. Pro is twice the price of home as well.
There is a secret command you can do to setup without Internet. But they hide it on the startup command line.
On the “Oops, you’ve lost internet connection” or “Let’s connect you to a network” page, use the “Shift + F10” keyboard shortcut.
In Command Prompt, type the OOBE\BYPASSNRO command to bypass network requirements on Windows 11 and press Enter.
You can just enter a fake Microsoft account and password. When it doesn’t work, it gives the option to continue with an offline account (or at least whatever version I installed did)
As someone who helped friends/family build PC gaming rigs multiple times last year (2023) I understand what you’re coming from W11 installer is pure dogshit.
Tbh tho, my dad always hated new Windows versions because he didn’t want to learn a new UI/UX, which I fine, but the windows experience isnt that hard to learn, even if it is different. Same thing with Linux, if you use GNOME/KDE/i3/hyprland/sway/<insert any DE/WM here> for the first time it won’t be easy to find all of the settings either.
But the W11 installer in particular sucks ass. There is so many restrictions that try to prevent you from even installing it. The one rescue for me was downloading the Rufus USB ISO tool and letting it download the W11 installer itself and apply patches which removed all the ridiculous restrictions.
I mean, you can even rub that shit in Virtual box if you want. My GF is literally running it on “unsupported hardware” according to Microsoft but windows updates and everything post-install is completely functional.
Only reason Mictorsoft Philips wants the restrictions is to have a tighter grip on the ecosystem and limit end consumers from installing it themselves and pushing that part to other companies or retailers which they can buy finished products (laptops etc) from instead of licenses.
This is basically why I went to linux around the time of Vista. The amount of hurdles windows puts in your way is silly.
However, it’s odd for the OS to work and Steam then not to work. I wonder if the windows store protections have been disabled?
I recently just reinstalled windows on my gaming pc and arch on my laptop, and I completely agree with you. especially the fact that now windows 11 force you to sign in. I know it can be skipped, and average users probably wont care, but FUCK YOU MICROSOFT!
archinstall is such a breeze, and in general for linux, I can control precisely what to install and configure it to be exactly how I like it, as opposed to windows I had to find some sketchy debloater scripts to remove all the craps, disable the telemetries, and hoping it doesn’t break anything.
And if I break anything, linux always have detailed documentations, where as windows…its always some indian guy on youtube teaching you how to run windows troubleshooter and hand you more sketchy scripts
I straight up think they did it because they want everyone on co-pilot.
Windows and Apple both capitalize on most folks lack of minimal tech savviness plus being creatures of habit. So much so, Apple gave away laptops to numerous Silicon Valley highschool classes in the mid 2000’s, just to entrench them into the system.
I’ve been using Linux for a few years now and I still randomly think about what took me this long to switch. It’s how an OS should be made. It can simply be installed and used out the gate or it can be tinkered with to make an ideal setup. Not to mention the lack of invasive tracking. Windows is so bad it’s more complete monitoring of the users than tracking.
Regardless, August 2023 to August 2024 will definitely be the year of the Linux desktop! /s
ROFL windows is the easiest thing ever to install. Same with steam.
Sounds like either you’re terrible with computers or you have some serious hardware issues.
Blaming it solely on windows is a joke.
Have you actually installed Windows in the last decade? I mean from scratch, mind you.
Yes, it’s part of my job, it’s super easy, barely an inconvenience.
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Yes, multiple times. It usually go this way:
- the installer starts
- I click on next a few times
- it asks the key
- next
- next
- nextnextnextnext
- the desktop shows up about 20-30 mins later
It’s literally a nightmare.
@Coreidan @PeterPoopshit ah, can you install windows without a microsoft-cloud account nowadays ? Please tell me how.
It’s kinda funny how many people have no problem at all with a cloud account on their phone but get a mild stroke when Windows asks them to create a Microsoft account.
Yes, I’ve set up several work computers without internet. You can make a local account on set-up.
Sounds like you have never installed linux
I have installed many Linux distributions. What is your point?
If you’re trying to convince me that windows is more complicated to install then it’s pretty clear you’ve never installed windows.
At this point in the game neither Linux or windows requires more then a few mouse clicks to install their OS.
If you’re having trouble with either then you’re doing something very very wrong or using wrong/bad hardware.
Windows has it’s serious flaws, and I would never willingly go back to it at this point, but the installer is too hard? This sounds like a you-issue rather than a Windows one.
