Anyone remember Umbrella Man from the 2020 Minneapolis riots? He was smashing windows and trying to frame BLM protesters when in fact he was a right wing nut job.
Wasn’t the only case if I recall of that year.
Boogaloo boys tried to do something similar in framing nearby protesters over George Floyd when they shot up a Federal courthouse, killing a security guard.
Investigations into the 2020 protests found that the vast majority of protests were peaceful and a majority of the violence was instigated by counter-protesters.
Among multiple problems was the fact that the idiot thought “I’ll be the one to finally make an ‘anarchy’ symbol with the proper attention to detail!” Another one was - who the hell has ever been enthusiastic enough about a Biden presidency to decide they needed to express it with a can of paint on someone else’s property?
It really was immediately apparent, it was just a matter of waiting for the inevitable confirmation.
I get a similar vibe here. It really doesn’t make sense as a crime that group would be motivated to commit.
Agree but there’s some commenters here that are so deep in the ml accelerationist sauce I wouldn’t be surprised. They’ve literally replied that they hope the US falls to ruin and whatever violence happens is a fever killing a virus.
Not saying all, but many green party people advocating for Harris’ defeat. As much as they may hope, Jill Stein was never a viable option, so who were they rallying for?
Those are the same people I never heard advocate for green party at local, county, state, or other federal office positions.
A few - like 3-5 people - were militant enough, I can believe it COULD be (not saying it was) a leftist.
If someone is only active in rabble rousing and not in supporting any affirmative ideas or actions around solutions to problems, then I tend to have a bit of suspicion that we’re simply dealing with a rabble rouser, and not someone interested in any actual improvements. It doesn’t really matter, to a rabble rouser, what the rousing is towards, since chaos is the goal. Any nebulous direction works, so long as the push is towards chaos.
If your goal is to watch the world burn, you do need an excuse for that. You can’t just be like “well, I like the idea of collapse, suffering and death. don’t you? c’mon, it’ll be fun.”
Most leftists have actual policy discussions, proposals, specifics that they’d like to see implemented. They’ll actually applaud movement in a positive direction. Not all, though.
This is going to be a “no true Scotsman” statement, but when a “leftist” loves authoritarianism so much that they find themselves advocating and cheering for the furthest right of the only two possible outcomes, I disagree that they are leftists. Especially so when they are also huge fans of state capitalist nations that produce hundreds of billionaires.
Yeah this is definitely coming from the people who say voting doesn’t matter if you support the uniparty of war, and not the Alex Jones supporters who think mail-in ballots are a vector for fraud.
Being a mod definitely hasn’t poisoned your brain, and is a very legitimate qualification.
According to you, the mods in /News are “crybabies and only want to see things they agree with” while you simultaneously support the idea that not voting- or throwing away votes on third party spoilers and shills will somehow bring about the changes you’d like to see?
And to add to this, your comment history is FULL of verbal temper tantrums and pseudo-intellectual nonsense directed at anyone and anything outside of your little bubble.
From my perspective, you have zero room in there to be casting aspersions at others.
Oh I wouldn’t bother myself to pore over a single word of your nonsense. And trust me when I say, it’s not at all because it’s “fire.”
It’s simply because it’s straight nonsense.
And the fact that you come here accusing people of crying while you have shown to be capable little else yourself, only serves to illustrate how little I or anyone else should do anything more than shine a white-hot light on your little temper tantrums so that others may better see you for what you truly are.
I’m jeering at you for being proud of being an internet moderator, you are whining about how I failed to read rules that don’t truly exist, try to keep up. You were getting it just a minute ago.
Investigators are trying to determine if the perpetrator was actually a pro-Palestinian activist or someone using that prominent cause to sow discord, one of the officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity because the investigation was ongoing.
In either case, the actions of one person don’t prove much about the larger movement that he intends to support.
I’ll wait to see who gets arrested before believing a leftist burned ballots.
Anyone remember Umbrella Man from the 2020 Minneapolis riots? He was smashing windows and trying to frame BLM protesters when in fact he was a right wing nut job.
Wasn’t the only case if I recall of that year.
Boogaloo boys tried to do something similar in framing nearby protesters over George Floyd when they shot up a Federal courthouse, killing a security guard.
Investigations into the 2020 protests found that the vast majority of protests were peaceful and a majority of the violence was instigated by counter-protesters.
There was this too:
Among multiple problems was the fact that the idiot thought “I’ll be the one to finally make an ‘anarchy’ symbol with the proper attention to detail!” Another one was - who the hell has ever been enthusiastic enough about a Biden presidency to decide they needed to express it with a can of paint on someone else’s property?
It really was immediately apparent, it was just a matter of waiting for the inevitable confirmation.
I get a similar vibe here. It really doesn’t make sense as a crime that group would be motivated to commit.
Anarchists famously love Democrats enough to incorporate them into their graffiti
“Counter-protesting” things like george floyd always blows my mind. It’s like booing if someone tells you they beat cancer.
Agree but there’s some commenters here that are so deep in the ml accelerationist sauce I wouldn’t be surprised. They’ve literally replied that they hope the US falls to ruin and whatever violence happens is a fever killing a virus.
As a mod, I’ve seen this too much.
Not saying all, but many green party people advocating for Harris’ defeat. As much as they may hope, Jill Stein was never a viable option, so who were they rallying for?
Those are the same people I never heard advocate for green party at local, county, state, or other federal office positions.
A few - like 3-5 people - were militant enough, I can believe it COULD be (not saying it was) a leftist.
If someone is only active in rabble rousing and not in supporting any affirmative ideas or actions around solutions to problems, then I tend to have a bit of suspicion that we’re simply dealing with a rabble rouser, and not someone interested in any actual improvements. It doesn’t really matter, to a rabble rouser, what the rousing is towards, since chaos is the goal. Any nebulous direction works, so long as the push is towards chaos.
If your goal is to watch the world burn, you do need an excuse for that. You can’t just be like “well, I like the idea of collapse, suffering and death. don’t you? c’mon, it’ll be fun.”
Most leftists have actual policy discussions, proposals, specifics that they’d like to see implemented. They’ll actually applaud movement in a positive direction. Not all, though.
You said it better than I ever could
This is going to be a “no true Scotsman” statement, but when a “leftist” loves authoritarianism so much that they find themselves advocating and cheering for the furthest right of the only two possible outcomes, I disagree that they are leftists. Especially so when they are also huge fans of state capitalist nations that produce hundreds of billionaires.
Hit us up with some links!
Just check mod logs for “genocide”. Many are those people
Yeah this is definitely coming from the people who say voting doesn’t matter if you support the uniparty of war, and not the Alex Jones supporters who think mail-in ballots are a vector for fraud.
Being a mod definitely hasn’t poisoned your brain, and is a very legitimate qualification.
Personal attack. Guess you haven’t read the rules. I’m not removing this, but other mods may.
It does make me more qualified. As a mod, I see some shit. Things you don’t have to.
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So- to summarize:
According to you, the mods in /News are “crybabies and only want to see things they agree with” while you simultaneously support the idea that not voting- or throwing away votes on third party spoilers and shills will somehow bring about the changes you’d like to see?
And to add to this, your comment history is FULL of verbal temper tantrums and pseudo-intellectual nonsense directed at anyone and anything outside of your little bubble.
From my perspective, you have zero room in there to be casting aspersions at others.
He’s a lemmy.ml account. probably a 15 year old who’s just learned about politics. Lemmy seems to be full of them.
Definitely a 15 year old who just discovered world politics in the last year or so.
Yeah. The closer we get to the election, the more of them are coming here with their smug ill-informed rhetoric.
Go ahead, admit you think Russia paid the “third party shills” to do this.
As a rule, I never admit anything that someone I have zero respect for asks me to.
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Just passing by, but this “bombing children” talk coming from the person who legitimately thinks Ukrainians are Nazis? Hilariously transparent bait.
Oh I wouldn’t bother myself to pore over a single word of your nonsense. And trust me when I say, it’s not at all because it’s “fire.”
It’s simply because it’s straight nonsense.
And the fact that you come here accusing people of crying while you have shown to be capable little else yourself, only serves to illustrate how little I or anyone else should do anything more than shine a white-hot light on your little temper tantrums so that others may better see you for what you truly are.
Yet here you are. Complaining.
I’m jeering at you for being proud of being an internet moderator, you are whining about how I failed to read rules that don’t truly exist, try to keep up. You were getting it just a minute ago.
Aww. You think you matter to me. I’ll forget you in a couple minutes. You’ll still be mad.
Yeah this might be the one legitimate time to yell “false flag”.
I agree. While I’ve seen some crazy shit, it’s not hard for the GOP to plant shit while committing felonies.
False flag is rarely the correct answer. Not never, but definitely rare. It’s usually a knee-jerk by the party embarrassed by some action.
Keep an open mind.
The police are thinking that too.
In either case, the actions of one person don’t prove much about the larger movement that he intends to support.
The preparator has also left a note reading “wasn’t me!” /s
Yeah I would guess MAGA but a leftist, rightist or anything-ist can be stupid and do stupid things.