European iPhone owners are being shown a new pop-up screen listing alternatives to the Safari browser. The developers of the browsers shown on that screen are torn about the user experience.
  • Rustmilian@lemmy.worldEnglish
    542·
    7 months ago

    Options?
    You mean :
    Safari
    Safari but it’s not scared of the dark
    Safari park fire with a fox for some reason
    Edge-ing in Safari park
    Opera of the Safari
    Safari but with trees
    DuckDuckGoing to Safari myself later
    You Safari from crippling depression
    Safari has layers / it’s all Safari now / Safari is Love, Safari is Life
    USSafaRi

    Explaining the joke :

    I’m making fun of the fact that all browsers on IOS are required to use WebKit.

    • nix@midwest.socialEnglish
      17·
      7 months ago

      This article is also only applicable to EU, where (as your link mentions) alternative browsers don’t need to be WebKit. Chrome and Firefox are already working on switching.

      • Moonrise2473@lemmy.ml
        5·
        7 months ago

        Yes but let’s remember everyone that Apple did their “best” in this. If a developer makes a browser that doesn’t use WebKit, then can publish that version only in Europe. For the rest of the world it’s still forced to publish the usual “Safari skin”. Basically doubling the work and the monetary cost of developing a browser.

  • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
    318·
    7 months ago

    When it was forced to add a search engine default selector to Android in 2019, many of the developers behind alternative options initially criticized the design and denounced Google’s practice of selling slots on the screen through auctions.

    Naked corruption.

    Also, if your users need a web browser defined in 2024, I’m sorry that your users are fucking morons and old people. The old people will die soon and then you’ll only have the morons left.

    • nix@midwest.socialEnglish
      9·
      7 months ago

      You need to meet more young people they don’t know either specifically because companies like google and apple try to obscure competition by making their way seem like the only way.

      • Scolding0513@sh.itjust.works
        7·
        7 months ago

        he’s referring to the fact that a web browser is a 30 year old technology and there are apparently people still dont know what it is

        • umami_wasabi@lemmy.ml
          4·
          7 months ago

          That I’m not surprised. Look how many companies are shoving apps down our throat while treating web browser users as second class citizens. My sister (21-30 age group) only know to use the “Google app” to search the web on her iPhone while Safari is pinned at the bottom and rarey uses it.

          • Scolding0513@sh.itjust.works
            6·
            7 months ago

            the reason is that corps can harvest massively more data with an application installed directly in your OS, rather than trying to stay within the security confines of the browser sandbox

    • Moonrise2473@lemmy.ml
      2·
      7 months ago

      The average people don’t know the concept of browser. I saw people using Google search (the app) as a browser. I saw people trying to login in their webmail using Google search (the app), then in order to see what photo they wanted to upload they went back to home by closing the WebView, watching the photo, then using again the Google search app to login in their webmail. Extremely infuriating, I wanted to die.

      • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
        1·
        7 months ago

        Jfc. I don’t have much exposure to people younger than me using technology. Family (nieces and nephew) live in another state, so I don’t watch them use phones and tablets. I wonder if my adult niece (who’s very bright) is doing things this way and I just wasn’t aware. Fuck me. I thought we’d be past this by now.

  • katy ✨@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    201·
    7 months ago

    i do wish google would go back to the pre-2010 google, but i still can’t imagine using anything but android. everything about apple/iphone just seems infuriating to use.

    • PirateJesus@lemmy.todayEnglish
      3·
      7 months ago

      I kinda like the baseline security advantages. Not that android can’t be better in security, but none of my friends give a shit, and so my iphone friends walk around with better baseline security.

      https://old.reddit.com/user/ghostinshell000

      hello ,

      ok, here is more than a few posts on this. that said: both have made alot of strides recently, basically the order of consensus is:

      • a google pixel flashed with graphaneos
      • iphone
      • pixel
      • samsung and use adb to remove everything you can.

      also, how the devices are setup and used matter alot. other than a pixel + graphaneos, iphones tend to be better at privacy but the devil is in the details. iphones are also more “hygienic” in alot of ways, that you cant see. BUT android is open source for the most part, and are HGIGHLY configurable. and hardware wise has wider variety of choices.

      security wise also pixel + graphaneos tends to be top shelf. but iphones, tend to have decent track record. and with proper setup and some addons, it really locks down pretty decently. for other androids, the proper addons, and adb mode to remove all the junk.

      support wise? pretty much apple kills it, and everyone else is second and in some cases really distant second or even worse. also google does csam scanning and has blocked folks in false positives and the support structure does not have any way for manual review to get your account back it takes months of fighting them from the reports I have read.

      this is all part of the really bad support model thats google. while, google one support of easy things is decent, when it gets real your chances get dicey…

      apples support is decent on all levels, not great but decent and in almost all cases better then googles.

      data protection? its an apple game now, you can enable adp and the key that encrypts your data is yours and apple documents what key encrypts what data. google, on the other hand, says they encrypt things but the dont really have any good documentation on whats encrypted and whos key encrypts what noor do they allow you to use a key you create like apple does.

      backup and recover? while they both do it, apples backup and restore is light years better, googles works, but app level stuff the app devs must create a manifest which tells the backup process what to backup etc. so, over all they both work, its just that apples works better.

      applepay vs googlepay, they both work and both are secure, but apples doing full tokenization and googles doing virtual credit card numbers to front for your real card, googles nebales more compatibility with banks easier, apple requires actual setup and key exchanges to onboard each bank. but in the long run while both are considered good, apples is the better way.

      IOT and automation, both have a ton of automation, tho googles probably ahead here. but for the iot and home stuff a new standard “matter” will standardize it all so future state wont matter what device you have.

      thats it for now.

    • TheFriar@lemm.ee
      61·
      7 months ago

      I’m no fan of apple as a company, but I used android phones for a long time. Mostly because I didn’t want to jump on the apple train. But once I changed jobs and needed to be on my phone a lot more often, I switched to apple for the battery life. I was stuck carrying around an external battery with my android phones. Also, the longevity of the hardware. I’m still on an old iPhone and it still mostly looks and still operates as if it were a more current gen. I always buy used, and I would go through an android phone every year to two years or so. I changed to an apple phone about four years ago and I still have the same one.

      I get it, the weird thing I only recently learned about iMessage being some status symbol for teenagers or whatever? That’s fuckin dumb. But there are reasons beyond stupid ones to use apple stuff. Fuck the company, though. I mean…fuck Samsung. And google. Fuck pretty much all companies. But brand loyalty for anything other than fitting your requirements in the product is weird.

      • BearOfaTime@lemm.ee
        3·
        7 months ago

        The battery life difference pretty much went away several Android versions ago (also when hardware improved).

        But, yea, that’s partly why my work phone is an iPhone. I can’t use it for anything but work stuff, and it’s managed by them anyway, so no benefit to using Android for work.

        It “just works” for the fundamentals…and that’s what many people want.

        • TheFriar@lemm.ee
          52·
          7 months ago

          Um. I dunno what to tell you. I went through two android phones when I started the job. This was back when the screens were only really big. So maybe that was contributing more. But I couldn’t make it though half of the day before both android phones were dying. I can tell you as a person who exclusively used android phones since I had a smart phone (with one, maybe two exceptions I got as hand-me-downs), I’ve never felt any sort of “social pressure” to switch to an iPhone. This is an entirely new concept, because smart phones came out the year I graduated high school, pretty much. And I had never experienced it. Ever.

          So are you sure this is a real thing? Not just one of those internet things that people swear they heard someone else say they knew someone who experienced it? Because I’ve been there for pretty much the whole thing. But maybe I aged out of that kind of stupid status shit and this only happens to kids in high school. Because I truly can’t imagine it happening anywhere else. Though I’ve never worked in an office setting, adults acting like clique-y it’s schoolers seem to flock to office spaces, so maybe that’s another reason why I’ve never had this happen to me.

          Either way, don’t tell me why I got an iPhone. Who tf are you

    • Zerush@lemmy.mlOP
      61·
      7 months ago

      There isn’t a paywall, only a subscription banner which you can close.

      • akrz@programming.dev
        3·
        7 months ago

        true; thanks! on my phone it took up most of the page and i just quickly assumed it was a paywall…

  • alb_004@lemm.ee
    517·
    7 months ago

    You can choose brave or firefox. Or maybe you are not too much privacy concious then vivaldi also a good choice. I think these are better than using other browsers from outside store. Maybe thats too a reason why iphone is so smooth and fast.