10-year-old Fatima Jaafar Abdullah was killed in pager explosions in Lebanon.

Israel murders another kid again.

  • leisesprecher@feddit.org
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    2 months ago

    No, they are not.

    As I wrote, you can track which pager got paged when. And you can identify who uses that pager. The pager itself does not need to transmit anything for that.

    You obviously don’t know how tracking works.

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      You can’t track a pager.

      A mobile tower will send it a message, but since there’s no two-way communication, theres no way to track where the pager received the message. (Even if it was a two-way one, you need at least three good points of connection to be able to triangulate it.)

      So how exactly do you identify who’s using a pager you don’t even know the location of?

      You obviously don’t know how tracking works.

      Ditto

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        2 months ago

        By tracking who sent what to whom?

        If you know the phone number of a Hisbollah member and they send messages to a set of pagers, these are likely Hisbollah pagers. If you do that to several phone numbers, you get a pretty comprehensive list of members. You don’t need to know, where exactly they are. That’s simply not relevant.

        And again: if it’s a supply chain attack, you don’t even need these contacts. Just a single entry point into the supply chain of the organization.

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          By tracking who sent what to whom?

          And since tracking the devices is actually impossible, how would you know which pager is where and held by whom,

          Say one of the pagers wasn’t delivered to the person who you “know” it to belong to. Say it got dropped in front of a school. Say another person who has one and even is a Hezbollah member, is visiting a children’s hospital, because they’re people too and usually have reasons to fight (even if their fighting style is immoral to some). Say another is eating dinner with his family. Etc. Etc. Etc.

          There’s no way to verify any of that. It’s basically just as bad if not worse than carpet-bombing. Unless you implant a device like this on a person and then have surveillance on that person to know where they are and who with when you detonate the device, you’re probably doing a war crime.

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      You obviously don’t know how one-way pagers work.

      You can’t easily track a device that doesn’t communicate outwardly.

      Please track the location of my ceiling fan, it receives wireless transmissions from a remote and beeps in response. Kind of like a pager.

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        2 months ago

        I don’t need your location.

        Pager transmissions contain a sender and a receiver. That’s all the information you need. If a known Hisbollah sender sends to a receiver, that receiver obviously has some ties to Hisbollah.

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          Pager transmissions contain a sender and a receiver.

          I agree. Although in this case the receiver does that and only that. No delivery confirmation or anything. Good luck tracking its location.

          That’s all the information you need

          How so? How do you track said dumb pager?

          If a known Hisbollah sender sends to a receiver, that receiver obviously has some ties to Hisbollah.

          This is a reasonable point. But that doesn’t mean you can pinpoint the recipients location.

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          2 months ago

          These are literally one-way receivers. It’s like how I can’t track your fm radio receiver