IOC President Thomas Bach said the “hate speech” directed at boxers Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-ting at the Paris Olympics is “totally unacceptable.”
“We will not take part in a politically motivated … cultural war,” Bach said at a news briefing Saturday at the midway point of the Paris Games, where he wanted to draw a line under days of global scrutiny about the female boxers’ gender.
doubt it. would be a firstie. world boxing federation banned them both a while ago. woc and ioc hate each other. thomas bach lied in the interview when he said there was never any indication they wouldnt be women. so i am sure it is the wronf decision. as always.
Are you saying there is evidence that these two cis-gendered women are not women?
Weird how the IBA won’t produce that evidence, isn’t it?
“It doesn’t matter whether we see the evidence or not. There’s someone who I don’t find attractive that is physically quite capable… SO IT MUST BE A MAN!!!”
“I know a man when I see one” has gotten so many cis women harassed because of transphobic bigots. Women with things like mustaches they don’t really feel like shaving every day.
My wife works with a woman like that. I haven’t talked to her about it because it’s none of my business, but I thought she was trans myself at first. I said to my wife that she must get harassed a lot as a trans woman with a flat chest and a mustache and my wife told me she wasn’t trans but gets harassed a lot anyway.
I try to be open-minded and accepting, but I made an assumption a cis woman was trans on sight anyway based on biases about what a woman “should” look like that I’ve been shown my whole life. I’m sure they’re no more expert than I am.
I’m sure you weren’t transphobic, though, and that’s the difference.
I do my best not to be. I don’t see any reason to be.
Even weirder that the IAB disqualified them for having an innate advantage and they either appealed but withdrew it, or didn’t appeal at all as if they themselves believe the veracity of the claim.
Question for you: What were the tests the IAB administered and who administered them? Do you know? Because I don’t. And they’re refusing to say.
Does that not strike you as odd?
Also, if you knew you were being pushed out of a league due to bogus testing and it was coming from the top, why would you appeal?
It does strike me as odd, but not as odd as not going through with an appeal. At least with an appeal you have the dignity of refuting the,
likely false, allegation and also have a chance to reveal what the ‘evidence’ is. Surrendering without a fight is not a good look imo.Edit: while MY end of the following argument is cogent, out of respect for the accused I will point to new evidence that significantly discredits the IBA’s decision and competence. Their citing of an XY karyotype and/or excessive testosterone levels despite clearly stating testosterone and chromosome tests were NOT the initial reason for the DQs is simply baffling.
Suggesting tests are valid just because the results weren’t challenged in public is not how testing works.
And suggesting they were invalid because they weren’t challenged is?
Please quote me suggesting that.
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All women have testosterone levels, as their ovaries produce androgens. If you wish to police this, I would say that you need to set limits on testosterone across both males and females, as there are disparities in testosterone production in both groups.
Your writing style is terrible. Have you received enough education to talk about biological issues? To me, your use of ‘tard’ is projection.
Thanks for calling me ‘Gen Z’. As someone born in 1982, I must look young.
Their use of that word got their post deleted for ableism. I wish people didn’t think it was appropriate as an insult. I have seen so many disabled people bullied with that word and the longer version.
Yes, the point of creating an outgroup is to bully them.
and these women just have too high testosterone levels. sorry english isnt my first language. and genY then…thos with zero empathy and childish reflexes.
…says the person who uses a word that is used to bully the disabled.
Cool. Let’s see their evidence.
you dont have google in your country?
https://www.iba.sport/news/statement-made-by-the-international-boxing-association-regarding-athletes-disqualifications-in-world-boxing-championships-2023/
you want to force the women with normal testosterone levels to get beat up by her? top gentleman move!
The “evidence” at that link is:
Which is quite convenient indeed. Especially since they don’t even say what that “recognized test” is or who administered it.
Also-
So I assume this means men with low testosterone have to compete with women, right? Also, you must not have noticed that they were explicitly not given testosterone tests. Your link literally said so.
dream on. you fight the good fight. let her beat up all the boxing women in your country.they should stay out of olympia and wba. sport is about fairness. i do not care what men with low testosterone do, i care about women that get beaten unfairly in the olympics.
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I never claimed to be an expert at anything.
You say there should be fairness. How do you make it fair? What test do you do to ensure it’s fair? That’s what I want. But your response seems to be to insult me rather than explain it, so I’m guessing you don’t actually have an answer to this, you just think that “fake” women shouldn’t get to compete as women.
So, again, how do you make it fair? How do you weed out the “not women” from the women?
again, as wba says: testosterone levels. thats how. nobody says she is a fake women. all i say is she should not compete as it is not fair.
But… She has lost fights to other women in the past. So she’s evidently not beating up everyone.
not true. she lost when she wasnt even 20. so yeah when she was a kid grown women had a chance. so fair. i now fully understand your point: it is a reflex and you can not be rational.
If you’re accusing other people of irrationality, maybe stick to the facts. Her last loss on her amateur boxing record was 2 years ago, when she was 23. Here’s a tweet by Amy Broadhurst who beat her then: https://x.com/amybroadhurst12/status/1818687351582789680
She seems pretty clear that she thinks Khelif is a good boxer but certainly not so absurdly strong that she’s unbeatable no?
lol. did you read it? she said it is not cheating, she was born this way. to me this implies that also the winners think imane should not box. they even emphasized cheating. also you have no idea how boxing works, right? point system and so on? get lost.
Of course, it’s boxing being “beat up” is what happens. Should the last placed contestant get another go becase they got beatup?
Unless the governing body want to separate contestants based on t levels, or how many pubes on their labia or some such, like a weigth class, then yes, if they can’t handle it and are going to lose that badly, go do gymnastics or whatever.
No ones forcing any if these people to compete, so they only one forcing them to be beat up is themselves.