I am somewhat amazed how much influence Israel seems to have over the United States. Even colleges and universities behaving as though they may as well be established in some autocratic, authoritarian state. It’s like a signal was sent out all over the US. The same nation that brought the world NSO has people doxxing students for supporting Palestinians. How easy it’s become to dehumanize people, women and children, babies even because the religious fervor truly has the right wing zealots believing they are “the chosen people”. The dehumanization of Palestinian people is quite disgusting.
Another reminder that religion and politics should never be allowed to mix anywhere.
Ita not just the US, all Western countries except Ireland are basically doing whatever Israel wants. Check any larger western newspaper and none are really critical of Israel. Look at Germany for an example of how fucked they are in Europe.
Canada, Australia, Britain, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Finland, Estonia, Japan, Austria and Romania All cut UNRWA funding based purely on Israels word with zero evidence.
When will this lie stop? People never shut the fuck up about this conflict in the west. There are endless protests and the media repeats that Isreal needs to stop every day.
And yet all day, every day, on Lemmy people cry about the west not caring or writing about it or shilling for Isreal. It’s just delusional bordering on dishonest at this point.
You are conflating citizens with governments. Just because we protest doesn’t mean our governments are not sending weapons and support their way.
And the media pushes Israeli talking points and often does shit like refusing to use the word genocide, while using loaded language to make Israel seem the victim.
I am not. I meant exactly what I said and I’d thank you to not make shit up and pretend I meant something else. The US government is made up of many many people who vocalize their disagreement with Isreal and have called it a genocide.
The Associated Press, the media organization this post is from is an American non-profit based in New York. Easily half the articles run in the US are rehashed AP articles.
Because the US is full of Christian zealots who believe that when the Jews manage to rebuild their temple, armageddon happens and they all get to go to Heaven.
They are actively cheering on WWIII and the deaths of billions over a 2000 year old work of fiction. And are neglecting to mention that this Jewish country they all support will be bombed into dust for their messiah to return.
Christian Zionists belong to a death cult and the fact that they have so much influence over an allegedly secular government is gross.
The part they don’t say out loud is that they also believe that all the Jews in the world have to live in Israel after the temple is rebuilt. Meaning expelling Jews from the U.S. and all other countries other than Israel.
Its not surprising, the most support outside of Nazi Germany for Nazi Germany was from the United States including the Nazis taking eugenics from field trips to the southern United States.
Source on Nazis getting the idea for eugenics from the Southern US? That sounds like Netanyahu’s insane take that the Nazis got the idea for the Holocaust from a Palestinian mufti.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1299061/
Is well published and well known, eugenics are an American creation, Germany just managed to nationalize it to an astounding degree. Hell the us was still sterilizing criminals and the mentally unfit up until iirc like 1990 and I’m 1976 it came out that about 25% of the American native population were forcibly sterilized… You know 40+ yrs after WW2.
Brought to you by decades of Israeli lobbying money mixed with gullible religious morons in the U.S. legislature. Money in politics leads to genocide.
In 2023 Israel spent $4 million in lobbying and got $4 billion in aid. We should pool together and buy ourselves some politicians, y’all. No other investment reliably returns 1000:1.
We should pool together and buy ourselves some politicians, y’all.
Traditionally, one calls that “forming a party” but unfortunately we live in a two-party system.
It should be noted that the $4B Israel got wasn’t just $4B for Israel. It was $4B for purchase of US weapons systems too Israel. And it wasn’t just Israel lobbying for this spending. You had a host of MIC lobbyists throwing in their own millions.
It should further be noted that AIPAC isn’t just doing a one-time $4M retail purchase of legislation. They’ve spend decades building up an enormous back bench of former US Congresscritters, allied staffers, political bundlers, event organizers, and religious affiliates. They injected $4M down the funnel in an 11th-hour push for the next traunch of military kick-backs that they’ve been receiving since the Bush 43 administration.
No other investment reliably returns 1000:1.
Its important to recognize that Israel provides an incredibly vital service to the US military in the form of maintaining control of the Suez Canal. Its not just a 1000:1 ROI. They’re holding Egyptian national leadership at gunpoint and we’re kicking them over some money to keep the gun loaded.
The vote in the 15-member Security Council was 12 in favor, the United States opposed and two abstentions, from the United Kingdom and Switzerland. U.S. allies France, Japan and South Korea supported the resolution.
Pretty interesting
The US veto allows their allies to vote for popularity without being bound
We won’t know if that happened here but it could have influenced it
Dearest Biden,
Please stop trying to get Trump elected.
Pleasant Regards, Everyone who gives a shit about abortion access.
fucking seriously. he won’t step aside, and he won’t stop holding it over the abyss.
he wants to make it as painful as possible to vote for him, but I just… I know at this point I can’t, abd I’m starting to see much less radical people than me make that call.
It terrifies me as a transgender immigrant because I know Trump literally is dying for the chance to genocide me and my friends, but Biden really isn’t helping at all. This country is a failure.
You can always migrate away from the US.
Way easier said than done
Grow up.
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I don’t think it was suggesting it.
Only reason Biden is free to support genocide is because his opponent is Trump. It is the current political climate responsible for Israel’s blatant disregard to humanity.
This is why Biden doesn’t care about his campaign promises. He just has to use the name Trump a few times in his speech and call several minority groups “the fabric of society” while doing nothing to help them. The only people winning during the next election is the lobbyists and the “bOtH muh SiDeS” people (the ones who complain if you critique about their favorite party).
I still don’t get it. Didn’t this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine
give Palestine and Israel equal right to exist? It seems like Israel got all the benefits and Palestine none, it just keeps ceding (and getting stolen) more and more land to Israel.
Was curious what was the US’s perspective/reasoning behind not voting for it. From the article…
U.S. deputy ambassador Robert Wood told the Security Council that the veto “does not reflect opposition to Palestinian statehood but instead is an acknowledgment that it will only come from direct negotiations between the parties.”
The United States has “been very clear consistently that premature actions in New York — even with the best intentions — will not achieve statehood for the Palestinian people,” deputy State Department spokesman Vedant Patel said.
Fuck you, Biden. I’m only voting for you because the alternatives are worse.
“I’m only voting for you because you’re my preferred candidate.”
…uh huh
Voting.
There is no lesser evil when it comes to genocide. You have already hit rock bottom.
What if the other side is also genocide along with totalitarian fascist rule?
You still would be voting for a self proclaimed non-Jewish Zionist whose pockets are lined by Israel to commit genocide. Don’t let any “other side” or bullshit “trolley problem” argument take that away from you. At least have the balls to own it. This whole purely pragmatic approach to “lesser evil dilemma” is what brought Biden to power in the first place. But yeah surely next time it’ll be better. Doesn’t matter how many people die because “Orange man bad”.
Since I couldn’t get the message across on my first comment, let me repeat myself. There is no lesser evil when it comes to genocide.
Trump would absolutely make the genocide significantly worse than the track it’s currently on if he wins. And he’s gonna make life in the US worse too. The “both sides are equally bad” rhetoric has absolutely failed over the last 8 years. If he lost in 2016 the entire world would be on a completely different track and if you don’t want to believe it then I’m confident that you don’t actually know the differences in policy and ideologies between the Democratic and Republican parties.
And before anyone says I’m accuses me of being a liberal, I’m a libertarian socialist and I’m registered to the Socialist Party of Massachusetts. I voted Bernie in both primaries then Green Party in 2016 (which I’ve come to regret even though Clinton was going to win my home state by a huge margin) then Biden in 2020. I voted this way in '20 because while Biden ignores socialists Trump wants them all dead.
Socialism without revolution is a fringe and hopeless endeavour. It requires fundamentally changing the mechanisms by which the economy functions.
Scandinavia says ‘Hi, we found a middle ground!’
Ethnic exclusion, racism, a wealth of natural resources, a small population, and no real geopolitical tensions to worry about (prior to joining NATO, at least). Hm.
I’m sure this is a robust and scalable model.
I’m going a step further and not voting for him.
I’ll vote 3rd party with you. Don’t be dissuaded by the neoliberal hate machine, we have a right to choose something better. Maybe if enough of us believe that, we could have it.
Not everybody voting against Trump are neoliberals. We just believe a 2nd Trump term will be significantly worse than a 2nd Biden term.
Voting 3rd party is just a way to make you feel like you’ve done something good without actually doing anything good. Fact is, are only 2 parties in this country.
Do what you want, but don’t kid yourself into thinking you’ll help the situation by exercising a vote for Trump, 3rd party, or abstaining from voting. Expect a lot worse treatment for Palestine, its citizenry, and other middle eastern countries from his opponent.
That being said, you may not have to worry about who you’ll vote for ever again if the fascists gain control… you’ll have a lot of other things to worry about, but voting won’t be one of them.
You can’t complain about this if you consent to it.
You have never been a couch sports coach, right?
I’ve never consented to preserving the duopoly in our political system
I mean, you were never inquired about it in the first place. But that’s in the end about as valid as saying you never consented to A being a vowel.
Jill Stein 2024
Such a great idea to make an international organisation for diplomacy where the nations that are already dominant also have complete power to stop anything they don’t like.
Surely this is a credible institution and not just a respectable veil over imperialism.
That’s right just sit there and frown at the guy vetoing instead of doing your duty to humanity and punching him in the face.
Every international organization alike, is there to perpetuate US/Europe imperialism.
Hey now, there exist international organizations to perpetuate Russian and Chinese imperialism too! Except the Russian ones are always dysfunctional as fuck and never actually work out.
And the Chinese ones almost always work exclusively on economic Swords of Damocles.
That doesn’t really distinguish them from the US ones that have historically relied on the IMF and the World Bank.
Thanks Biden!
“Biden and his administration are doing all they can” my ass!
They’re exactly as beholden to the Israeli apartheid state as all the previous ones going back to 1948, if not MORE than many of them.
Just one example of many that the DNC is still stuck in 1992 and almost half as unresponsive to the will of the majority of the people as the literal fascists on the other side of the aisle 🤬
They are doing all they can to cover for Israel, while attempting to appear neutral.
Taxation without representation?
Yup. The majority of the US people want the US government to stop being a lapdog for a fascist apartheid regime.
No amount of neoliberal party loyalists downvoting your true statement is going to change the fact that this means that the US government doesn’t faithfully represent its people.
Symbolic gesture vetoed.
Palestine simply doesn’t have any viable leadership. It’s ok to criticize Israel, but still not ok to criticize Palestine, so nobody is holding Palestinian leadership to account.
You got Fatah which is corrupt. You got Hamas which is corrupt and are terrorists.
If Palestine had full independence tomorrow, what kind of state would it be? A failed state. The next Yemen, Somalia, or Afghanistan.
But yeah give some legitimacy to the corrupt leaders of an occupied territory and continue to avoid looking at the reality of how bad their leadership is a little longer. That will improve things for Palestinians!
Oh right, I forgot we’re supposed to performatively care about Palestinians while not actually caring about them.
I posed a question in another thread, but this one seems like it’s winning:
Who would represent Palestine if they had been accepted? Who can represent Palestine?
PA, you know Gaza isn’t Palestine. Plus the two state is set at the founding of Israel, and both Israel and Palestine have equal rights to be represented in the UN.
It is another story that Israel is trying deliberately to undermine Palestinian rights and oppose any statehood. All the road blocks, checkpoints, walls, settlement etc. built and imposed to the Palestinian population are completely illegal according to international law, but again Israel backed by the US act with extreme impunity.
Under this thought process, if Gaza isn’t Palestine, should the Palestinians’ state be recognized, what happens to Gaza? Is it absorbed into Israel? From what I can tell I don’t think this is gonna fly, almost anyone talking about this and the Gazans themselves don’t agree it seems
Never said that, What is a Palestinian territory is defined in 1948. Where it is clearly stated what should belong to Israel and what to Palestine.
I mean, that ship has sailed though right? Israel will never agree to that unless it’s destroyed.
I guess so, but Israel is acting like this because they have the US behind their back, and I am sure if this wasn’t the case they would not be so reckless and act with such impunity in the region and it is a failure of the US to rein them.
They’d probably have all been murdered by muslim fanatics without outside support, something I feel far roo many here would support.
You mean exactly what Israel is doing right now? Because they don’t seem fazed by the high civilian casualties or the dire humanitarian situation in Gaza.
Taiwan can’t get recognized despite its government being a founding member of the UN and folks surprised it’s contentious for Palestine to be recognized?
This is a bit misleading, though, Taiwan doesn’t want to be recognised as a nation, it wants to be recognised as the one legitimate government of China.
Palestine just wants a seat at the table.
